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fonsus ([info]fonsus) wrote,

Ambition is the last refuge of failure

For all you literary buffs out there, Oscar Wilde said "Ambition is the last refuge of failure." I heard this quote watching the most recent episode of CSI, where Gil Grissom has just done a splendid job of exposing the duplicity of a fellow scientist, and was being offered a promotion by the local sheriff, thus leading to this quote.

I find the quote rather odd, because I won't normally place ambition and failure together. But on considering it some more, it's quite intriguing philosophically. Some people, such as people who are condemned to ITEs, or who are poor, are labelled as failures. However in making such broad statements, we often fail to see that it is the result of our own biases imposed by society's perceptions of success. Hence, it is because of ambition that failures arise.

Who's to say that the father feeding his family on a plate of rice and vegetables is a failure, as quoted by [info]wince? For all we know, they might be very happy and content, as was described.

That is assuming that my understanding of the quote is accurate. I asked two friends online about the quote and they both said that it's through failure that you become more ambitious. My view is that ambition breeds failure, because it is through ambition that you are more finely tuned to failure.

My problem with the quote however, is its use of words. Why "last refuge"? Why not "breeds" or "leads to"? Apart from the snobbish attitude that Oscar Wilde is famous for, why does he use this phrase?

Any thoughts from literary greats, such as our esteemed [info]discoecstasy or [info]jin_n_juice?

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[info]lyph

November 8 2005, 14:51:57 UTC 6 years ago

those who fail will constantly strive, hence ambition. Ambition here is neutral, without connotation of greed or avarice.

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 14:58:40 UTC 6 years ago

did you arrive at that conclusion on your own? or did you copy and paste from somewhere?

[info]lyph

6 years ago

[info]lyph

November 8 2005, 14:54:50 UTC 6 years ago

another intepretation: pple who fail may always find solace in their ambition and dreams of a better tomolow..
this is rather literal but still plausible.

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 15:15:30 UTC 6 years ago

darling i think it should be the other way around. it is failure that is seeking solace in ambition.

[info]lyph

6 years ago

[info]David Blatch

November 11 2010, 21:44:33 UTC 1 year ago

I like your interpretation

After a first glance at this quote I started wondering if old Oscar wrote the things he wrote to purposefully annoy people and for no other reason at all. Because it doent make sence on first glance but I think you hit the nail on the head.
Maybe the fact that you (fonsus) heard it in the context of that csi episode, you will have different views on the quotes intentions. Just a thunk.

:D

[info]discoecstasy

November 8 2005, 15:01:36 UTC 6 years ago

I am not a literary great.

Ambition is the last refuge of failure.

Now, refuge can mean a "safe place" or a "resting place".

So in other words, if ambition is the final resting place of failure, what I think it means is that in life, as you live through it, and you look back at all the things that you have tried and failed, well, at least, as a consolation, you can say that you had the ambition to take a stab at the things you have tried (and failed). :)

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 15:15:50 UTC 6 years ago

oh ok.. this one i know for sure didn't copy from somewhere else... :P

[info]into_the_wild

November 8 2005, 15:35:05 UTC 6 years ago

with ambition you'll ultimately find refuge from failure?
else one will sink in the quagmire of failure.

quagmire in the miltary sense)

[info]sean1981

November 8 2005, 15:42:44 UTC 6 years ago

building on what u said about how ambition breeds failure, ambition could be the Last refuge for failure because there is simply no other better refuge for failures in our results driven society. since there is no allowance for failure, ppl are expected to die trying, and hence perhaps the will to succeed is the last place on earth where failures can gain acceptance.

[info]zenhiao

November 8 2005, 16:33:55 UTC 6 years ago

do you read oscar wilde at all?
he is beyond snobbish.

here he is disparaging ambitious people.
(we have a saying here "trying too hard". well, that was more or less oscar wilde's attitude to the ambitious.)

so it's not so much that amibitious people are doomed to failure that your "breeds" or "leads to" implies.
rather he is insulting the ambitious by saying they are just compensating for their failure.

see also two other quotes by Oscar Wilde:
"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative."
"Conversation about the weather is the last refuge of the unimaginative." (didn't know about this one!)
and
"Seriousness is the only refuge of the shallow."
(notice the shallow only have one refuge!)

i suspect he was following on from Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784):
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

and finally from Quentin Crisp, obviously following the same construction:
"Sex is the last refuge of the miserable."


ok not all this was not really lurking inside my head waiting to burst forth so i had a little help from google to find the other quotes.
8-)

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 16:48:10 UTC 6 years ago

*standing ovation*

[info]zenhiao

6 years ago

[info]gutch2000

6 years ago

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 17:18:59 UTC 6 years ago

does this mean that if the two of us have sex, we will end up miserable? :P

[info]zenhiao

6 years ago

[info]tarzansg

November 8 2005, 17:47:29 UTC 6 years ago

actually i thot he is disparaging failures, but his choice of 'ambition' was used derogatory as in where 'the ambitious are failures' ?

[info]jin_n_juice

November 8 2005, 19:28:20 UTC 6 years ago

Actually, I'm not sure he's disparaging ambitious people as much as he's disparaging failures (which, in contemporary language we'd call losers).

It fits the original Samuel Johnson pattern - patriotism isn't the problem, as much as the scoundrels who abuse it.

It's a little more powerful that way, I think.

[info]zenhiao

6 years ago

[info]cgnotcb

6 years ago

[info]zenhiao

6 years ago

[info]cgnotcb

6 years ago

[info]cgnotcb

November 10 2005, 11:04:36 UTC 6 years ago

Not everyone is build for everything!

Only the weak seeks refuge in the business world. Others goes bankrupt. So if you can't keep up, stay low. Ambitious is not for everyone, so is contentment is different for individuals. We all live differently in this world, some name this world a jungle where fittest survive, others enjoy life happily, to each his own, thats what makes us human. Likewise, we could always filter what people opinionated.

Life goes on. Live the way we want. Filter what we want!

:o)

[info]kairin

November 8 2005, 16:57:27 UTC 6 years ago

"such as people who are condemned to ITEs"

[info]fonsus

November 8 2005, 17:18:31 UTC 6 years ago

yes, i too am swayed by the biases of society.

[info]tarzansg

November 8 2005, 17:48:44 UTC 6 years ago

and there are many successful ITE pty agents.... *meow*

[info]jin_n_juice

November 8 2005, 19:29:13 UTC 6 years ago

well, get over it, sweetie.

ugh. Singapore society.

[info]gutch2000

November 9 2005, 02:51:40 UTC 6 years ago

"too"??

[info]32pencils

December 4 2005, 04:39:41 UTC 6 years ago

By "refuge," we usually mean safety or a safe place, as in "seek refuge." I reckon that Wilde meant people who fear failure also believe that they can ward it off by being ambitious, that this belief brings them comfort. Wilde was a keen observer of human behavior and a firstclass wordsmith.



[info]32pencils

December 4 2005, 04:53:32 UTC 6 years ago

By the way, Wilde didn't so much as frown on ambition! He strived to be adored and perfect, as only a gay man could. Remember that he said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about. Among his other famous quotable quotes was this: "Ambition is the germ from which all growth of nobleness proceeds." He wanted to be noble and perfect and remembered forever. Where's the disparage?

[info]mithraxcrab

February 17 2006, 03:11:15 UTC 6 years ago

Actual quote

"Ambition is the last refuge of the failure"

The actual quote includes the word "the" which leads to the individual. Haven't you ever worked with an ambitious colleague who will do anything to get ahead because he or she possesses no talents of their own.

[info]mezzerr

October 27 2008, 00:47:16 UTC 3 years ago

"Ambition is the last refuge of the failure"

Starting from failure ambition is the last choice failure has there are other choices that failure make, ambition is the last.

[info]cjs200

January 22 2011, 07:11:29 UTC 1 year ago

Last implies others

Logical interpretation does suggest that if ambition is the last refuge then there are others. Perhaps others include hope or luck. When failure persists, one only has ambition in which to seek refuge and in seeking it does not necessarily achieve success. Thus the quote is derogatory towards those who are ambitious, regarding them as persistent failures.
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